詹妮弗Yoffy00:06

欢迎来到完美结合。我Jennifer Yoffy Yoffy出版社的创始人兼出版商在亚特兰大,格鲁吉亚。188bet金宝搏登真人官网这是一个播客,我们和艺术家谈谈他们的旅程,他们是如何在哪里,什么对与错把他们一路走来,和它们的标题下。称他的方法有点混乱和实验,马修·勃兰特产生大规模的照片通过劳动密集型过程回顾19世纪摄影的起源,通常结合物理学科本身的问题。适应他的媒介的历史及其坚定的身体,和灵感来自经典美国风景照片布兰德遍历西方,拍照和收集材料样本性质和城市。臣民之间的互惠关系,布兰德创建和使用的材料代表他们总是从概念上讲,经常为了应对社会和环境问题。他深感好奇,甚至在他无所畏惧的探索主题,材料和流程,重振摄影媒介的惊奇感。通过他的作品勃兰特对他的魔法似乎介质提出了一个基本问题。照片是什么?他收到了2004年从库柏联盟论坛,和MFA 2008年从加州大学洛杉矶分校。 Brian has been the subject of several institutional solo and group shows and is in the permanent collections of many important museums and private collections. He lives and works in Los Angeles, please welcome Matthew Brandt to the Perfect Bound podcast.` So basic question, but something that I'm super curious about? How do you come up with your ideas? Like does the material come first or the subject? Or do they come together?

马修·布兰德02:01

我的意思是,这真的取决于。有时它只是我有一个漂亮的照片。有时就像,我只是听到收音机里的东西。我有点好奇。有时我看到一个有趣的污点。和想知道。我也尽量不要把它锁在,用的是这种方法。只有当我好好照片,和材料,但它真的是,多触角,我认为可以从一个想法。和很多时间,这只是取决于,我尽量保持尽可能开放和难以捉摸。我甚至现在仍然有很多的图片.... I mean, just as an example, I've been taking photos of like cars with astronomical names, just because it's kind of interesting that there's like old comments, right? You know, there's a lot of interesting, I guess, in maybe the 60s they were you know, interested in like space and so they have all these interesting names for cars and I just photograph these cars like the Galaxy and all this stuff and I still don't have any way to represent it, but I still continue to take these pictures, its just interesting. I don't know what's going to come of it, but maybe it'll work itself out. As another example, I just have, like, in my studio, I'm learning how calcium buildup is done like with limestone. And I bought a bunch of lime, like calcium carbonate. And you know, kind of like in the showers drain. I mean, there's like, yeah, calcium buildup. And I've just, I guess, spending so much time at home like wow, what is all this white stuff. I've been learning about how to try to make that into images. And I have little waterfalls of calcium buildup on some test materials and just trying to see how that could potentially make an image and I don't really have like an image or or subject matter necessarily, but it's like that material that is interesting, and just have some tests going off. So in the corner of my darkroom, I have a little waterfall thing with a bunch of lime in the water. That's just, you know...

詹妮弗Yoffy04:24

慢慢看看会发生什么……

马修·布兰德04:26

是的。是的。换句话说,你知道,我试着把它打开。

詹妮弗Yoffy04:34

所以它可以像彗星汽车的图片,也可以是材料石灰。其中有可能不满足彼此的你知道的,像,占星,占星和天文吗?

马修·布兰德分

我想这取决于你的信仰是什么。但是,是的,是的。

詹妮弗Yoffy04:57

天文汽车(笑)可能永远不会,你可能永远不会,像,意识到到一个项目如果你不能找到合适的材料,成分类型相匹配的过程。与石灰和相同的,如果你不找到合适的图像有意义。所以有多少,像块你有,在任何给定的时间只是漂浮在等待找到伴侣吗?

马修·布兰德05:28

我的意思是,老实说,我,还有,有很多,我尽量保持倾向于这些想法,你知道,只是想,第二部分,把一些肥料,看到什么可行,什么不。但是我想说,我想,对我来说,这是一样重要,完成某些工作。所以有照料花园,你知道,像,嗯,我觉得我想做尽可能多的。因为,就像一个数字游戏。你知道,就像,墙上乱扔一堆东西,必定会坚持的。我的意思是,也许这是一个反复无常的本质工作,。

詹妮弗Yoffy06:11

你曾经担心你会耗尽的想法?

马修·布兰德06:14

嗯,是的,我的意思是,我感觉,现在,也许我有点老,。我感觉不好,我有时候会觉得,哦,这是个好主意。但是我想出了,像十年前一样。我终于意识到,因为有一定的技术能力,我有,我可以做它。是的,是的。所以一些想法出来,像10年。不管出于什么原因,他们仍然挥之不去。我认为这些都是一些好点子。但与此同时,我感觉很糟糕,因为它是,哦,真是旧思想。我没有新的想法,我只是regurgiatating旧的。 But I think that's, I guess, to touch upon what we talked about earlier, in terms of having a lot of different ideas, and some matchup and some don't, and having different, like, potential seedlings. So it's just like another seedling, and sometimes some sprout 10 years later, you know, and then some get really big, really fast in a day and then die off really quickly. You know? So I think it's, it's all like a very different set of parameters or timescale or whatever, in terms of making something but like you said earlier, generally, it is always how a subject or image relates to its material form. And sometimes they marry and sometimes they don't. But I've been trying to build the confidence, or the idea of just trying to do like, what about just straight photography? But for me, it didn't always doesn't quite click, I try to do it, then it's like, Yeah, but when this would be cool, if this had some whatever or something...

詹妮弗Yoffy07:57

如果我烧它,和…(笑)

马修·布兰德07:58

是的,是的。我一直试图使像普通喷墨打印。然后它最终被像一个项目的照片,喷墨墨盒什么的。我不喜欢能帮助自己,但是试着联系的材料。而不是对抗,我应该就像拥抱它。这就是我。所以我尽我最大的努力,你知道,在真正的自然倾向我,你知道的,想要做,我想。

詹妮弗Yoffy塔利班)

是的,不要打架。

马修·布兰德08:31

完全正确。是的。

詹妮弗Yoffy08:32

世界需要它!所以你做了很多工作,所有不同的项目涉及各种各样的材料,什么项目或身体的工作你真的骄傲的,尽管它可能没有商业上的成功?所以,湖泊和水库,是项目你最出名,但是你已经做了很多很酷的东西。还有其他的你像,其实是很坏蛋?而且,你知道,就像我拍拍自己的背,主意吗?

马修·布兰德09:07

是的,我的意思是,有,我觉得有很多的工作,很难使这种相关性与成功。成功是什么,你知道,有时,成功可以像商业上的成功,像湖泊和水库,或者它的成功我感到非常的验证进行的工作,为自己感到骄傲。但是,我的意思是,有一些成功的早期作品,我做了我在做,拍电影像灰烬。当我的阿姨去世了,她是佛教徒。她火化,我有她的骨灰。我做了一些图片。,对我来说,这是非常私人的分析,我也把它用在我的猫,你知道,这些东西我不会卖,没人看到它。其实在我的办公室。你知道我的意思吗?喜欢,只是个人的事情对我来说,就像非常令人满意的。 And for me very successful because it's imbued with this very, I don't know, intense personal material.

詹妮弗Yoffy10:09

正确的。你已经能够处理困难的事在一个非常独特的“你。”

马修·布兰德17

是的,是的。你是对的,就像你说的,它是关于处理某些情绪。我认为,我希望所有的工作,我是一个在处理任何状态。我认为你可以做一个论点,所有艺术家这样做,你知道的,它是关于处理某件事,有情况,,你知道,这就是你,我想有一些....每当我发现自己,你知道,有艰难的时刻,你知道,我觉得满意,也有助于在工作室,就出来工作。你知道,对我来说,一直都是,你知道,让事情与你的手/甚至思维方式或其他方式来处理情绪和消化它,通过它。你知道,有时候别人喜欢,有时候他们可能不联系,我不知道,但我认为这是一种整体的一部分,你知道,ouvere我猜你可能会说。

詹妮弗Yoffy十一17

你在一个不同的角度吗?你看到你的工作作为政治?还是有一个元素的运动?很多似乎有一种环境条纹。我不知道这是故意的,如果只是这样,既然你如此关注材料。

马修·布兰德三十八分

我的意思是,我认为这是一个过程的情况下,我们前面谈到的,消化和处理的情况下,我认为这是一种不可避免的一个处理他们周围的世界。就像你之前说的材料是环保的,你不能否认。所以它看起来自然,环境问题与领带到工作。这不是我喜欢的东西想出来,说,哦,我这只是保护环境。所以它更像是只是间接的。我感觉我就像,你知道,有一部分的我想说,是的,是的,我完全都在谈论这件事。这就是为什么我这么做。而且,你知道,但我的意思是,我想说,这是最主要的原因是,我想,像拯救世界。真的,我只是把事情,这是它的一部分。我认为,我的意思是,我很高兴,你知道,使用这些材料。 And this is, and I'm happy to shine light on certain situations, you know, like, I don't know, there's a lot like melting icebergs or whatever. But I would say, I'm not, I don't have a business card that says, like, environmentalist or anything like that.

詹妮弗Yoffy12:55

你有一个名片吗?(笑)

马修·布兰德12:58

没有,但我,我只是不知道什么,你知道吗?

詹妮弗Yoffy13:05

或者谁给?

马修·布兰德13:06

是的,是的。我认为这很迷人。很多时候人们要求的名片,我最终就像撕一张纸从和写我的名字。我觉得,人们总是认为这是可爱的,因为某些原因。然后他们给我这个喜欢八层,压花,如金箔的事情。我说,哇,这是....

詹妮弗Yoffy13:27

你必须学习或者是错误的单词。你学习很多有趣的过程。我的意思是,即使喜欢,您所使用的材料,和银与树,告诉我。这些事情,你只是你的一个方便的人只是知道如何做到这一点呢?你也,你必须喜欢深入YouTube找出如何不与这些有毒化学物质杀死自己。我认为喜欢重型设备。

马修·布兰德13:56

这绝对是梯子。我在YouTube上,看的人。和令人惊奇的你能学到什么东西,每个人都已经完成了。我图为什么重新发明轮子如果有人做到了。我认为这开始在早期试图与早期的摄影工作流程。喜欢,我认为最早的我就像一个咸纸打印,或像替代过程。,只是购买一套。然后他们会告诉你怎么做,其他的东西。然后,你知道,你意识到你能做你自己的,你知道,例如,我只是以人的体液和使用为很难穿上一些图片的内容。但是,你知道,后来,就像,哦,嗯,他们这样做,我可以做到这一点。 And I think for me, it touches on like, you know, fundamentals of photography, they're just materials and things and someone did it and there's always a way to go about doing it and I like to tinker with things. You know, I like to try to figure out how to do it and so it's also kind of fun to figure it out. And I think also too, like when I started making working with silver, it was first from trying to figure out how to make daguerreotypes and it requires silver. So at that point I was melting silver coins. You know there's US dollar silver coins. You make the silver nitrate to silver to make the daguerreotypes. And so I was already learning about silver and I kind of understood silver has different properties to make blacks for silver gelatin prints for photography. So, yes, silver was fundamental to photography's development. So it kind of felt natural if I want to work with this thread of photography. Okay, this is like a big chunk of photo history. Let's work with silver. Let's really do it. Let's see what silver is about. So then I started to learn like, Oh, yes, silvers, they would make mirrors out of it, let's learn how the mirror making process of silver works. And you start to realize all these different applications of silver, they used to like, drip silver nitrate in baby's eyes for weird things, for whatever reasons. You know, so there's all these weird, you know, applications for these materials. And then sort of going that thread of silver led me into Okay, I can make daguerreotypes, I made some daguerreotypes. And then Okay, I can make mirrors, let's see how mirrors work. And that's where I got into spraying the silver mirroring solution onto silver gelatin prints for the, the silver series that forest pictures that you mentioned. And so it was really just about collapsing that, you know, two different kinds of silver, the photographic silver, and the silver mirroring material on top, and then just sort of seeing where that goes. And I also like the idea that a viewer can see themselves in the image and trying to like broaden out this ideas of the rectangle on the wall, you know.

詹妮弗Yoffy16:54

是的,我喜欢那些碎片。你经常尝试这样的事情,它只是不工作吗?我的意思是,我的印象,你可能会说,哦,我要把这个银银,我说,哦,哦,有一个树。我的意思是,我尝试很多事情,它不会工作。所以,梅根Riepenhoff,你知道,我们刚刚做这个项目一起,元素。她从亚特兰大。她来这里,我帮助她,我们去查特胡奇河河,水洗涤了我们的论文,让所有这些令人惊叹的东西。我喜欢,我要得到一个蓝图装备,我要做像奇怪的组合,你知道,喜欢,不适当的比例,我要做的。他们都出来蓝色,他们都出来同样的蓝色。尽管如此,对于每一个人,每一份文件,我说,这个我要外套。 And you know, and I was like, I can be a crazy art scientists too. Not true. Not true.

马修·布兰德17:54

你可以如果你喜欢呆在这,你最终会……

詹妮弗Yoffy17:58

(笑)是的,我想做,我可以让纸使完全蓝色。所以你多久呢?这是一个失败的试验?还是更像一个迭代的东西你喜欢,好吧,越来越近,越来越近,

马修·布兰德十八15

绝对的信仰在这个过程中,它会靠得更近。当它不存在,总有别的东西。这是一些的好处就是有不同的事情发生。因为这就像,你知道,,,这不是工作。我们就像书架上,然后回来以后。的项目有很多,也许我只是有一堆堆蓝色的纸张,我喜欢,你知道,,,其实,我们就尝试把一些银在这些蓝色的纸张,你知道,也许蓝张纸项目变成了别的东西。所以,你知道,我绝对有一定的囤积者实践发生的,就像我一直在大量的测试。总,你知道,在早期,像早期的实验中,不过,我还是因为那些喜欢学习设备和很多方面。

詹妮弗Yoffy19:18

幽默是怎样参与你的工作吗?所以我的意思是,有一些像苍蝇纸和蜜桃派蛋白,像他们似乎有点挖苦地,但是,如何找出推进多远一些,所以它不会成为愚蠢的,它仍然是,你知道,这是聪明的吗?

马修·布兰德十九38

是的,我的意思是,这是我认为的一件事,我想,在早期,在某种程度上,我试图想到笑话的结构,以及它们是如何制造的,我不知道,笑话图片。你知道,我认为有一些真正深刻和重要的幽默和喜剧演员和他们如何可以达到一定的真理。我认为即使在当时,我是喜欢阅读佛洛伊德的笑话与无意识和所有这些努力,思考幽默和笑话来达到的东西,你知道,真实的或重要。嗯,我想,你知道,有一种交付过程的笑话。还有让你的事情,对吧?有一个确定的,我不知道确切的结构,我不是一个喜剧演员,我不假装之类的。但有一种交付,然后有妙语,等等。我认为我注意到我的一些作品,都是这样的结构,你会看这个东西在墙上,然后你会说,好吧,这是一个很酷的图片。等等,这是由狗屎吗?什么,你知道我的意思吗? I, if you want to call it a punch line, or there's a sort of layered effect, or whatever you want to say there, I started to see relation with jokes, and the way that the work is made. And for me, I try not to just make it like, okay, clever, it's funny. Or like, it's, I try not to make like, I don't deliberately try to make a one liner, whether it is or not, you know. But, I think that jokes, and their structure or something that I did think about and then do think about, but I think maybe I've thought about it too much and digested, and now it's become like a part of my, I don't know, normal thing, you know, like, I don't even think it's funny anymore. You know, like, it's, it's a weird way we get in it so much. But um, I mean, I think that I guess what happens too, is just something unexpected is funny, right? There's the, the huh, or the something, that I think makes it think that it is a joke, or it's funny, I love humor, I love trying to work with it. And I think it's important to have humor in your life, right? So I mean, I think that there are some projects that make me take a more serious tone, you know, with like collecting, like, carbon from burn forests, for instance, you know, something I'm working on, versus I don't know, something else, which is like, I don't know whats something that's more funny. I think there could be something that is just weirder or, you know. And I think that each project has its own personality, like we talked about earlier, sometimes, you're just in a bad mood, you know, and then it's just a bad mood project, or you're in a really ecstasy project. And that becomes its own. So I tried to capture I mean, not capture, but I try to work with, you know, as many plateaus and whatever frequencies as possible. And kind of like, we have all these like modes in our life. And everybody has certain emotions tried to translate that in different way. And so reaching different tones, I guess, if that makes sense.

詹妮弗Yoffy23:02

是的,不,这很有道理。我的意思是,我认为你知道,银,我叫银树。但是,你知道,那绝对是更像一种冥想的项目你在哪里寻找深入一些,在自己与可能粘蝇纸或狗屎。我的意思是,也许你是看着它以不同的方式,但我只是说。

马修·布兰德23:26

这个播客的标题,你的意思是,像马特胡说八道。(笑)

詹妮弗Yoffy23:30

我想我警告你,我要问你的问题你认为是最好的决定在你的事业和你也许决定,你认为不是那么好,或者像错了方向,,但你学到的东西。如果你知道,回想,我觉得我可以但我假设这些你认为是最好的职业你作出决定,或者你做过的最好的决定影响了你的职业生涯?

马修·布兰德24:07

也许在早期,像在像高中。我不是真的,我把我所有的,我非常擅长绘画和不擅长什么。遭受试图滑板等等,但是,我认为我很高兴,我把我所有的芯片能够追求喜欢让事情你知道,喜欢绘画,最终将艺术学校和所有的东西。因为,嗯,你知道,我是很像像C平均的学生。我不擅长什么。就喜欢绘画和绘图。我只是去做了很多。然后最终在纽约上学,我认为这是一个很好的决定。因为我进了学校就像免学费,这是惊人的。我的父母就像,太好了,去那里。然后我想这样做,真正追求艺术,,只是,,让我们试试这个,虽然我不知道,你可以有一个像,其实从事艺术创作,你知道,我不知道。 But it was like, I really love doing this, just go for it. And I think that was a good decision for me. And also just to live in New York, I think as like a, you know, as a 18 year old, I think you learn really quick. Like, you know, you have to find an apartment and you're like, Oh, shit, I think it's important to get ripped off buying hash in Washington. Because it's like, you learned so much really quick living in New York, you're like, Okay, and you get like street smarts. I mean, even though I like grew up in LA, there's a lot of stuff happens. But New York is just like its own little, like thing that you, you, yeah, you grew up pretty fast. And you experience a lot of stuff in such a tight little moment in time. And, and I think in those years, too, as like an 18-20 year old, you're just sort of like a sponge, and stuff and seeing what you can get away with too. And I think all that stuff has made me who I am in a lot of ways. But also even moving back to LA from New York, I think was a really good decision. Because I think I was getting a little bit maybe, I don't know, burnt out or whatever. But, you know, I was like missing home. And like, I lived in New York for like six years or something and then moved back. And I went to grad school at UCLA, and moved back home with my parents, and lived there and like full fridge and food was amazing. Man, like, like, that was nice too not having to worry about, like, making money to eat and stuff, and to focus back on making art in grad school. And that familiar clarity of being home, I think also grounds you pretty well. Like I think they call it like a boomerang generation thing. Like, kids even come back. I think that's like a, that's what I am. Whatever, but, and I think that there was something that was important in having that familiarity and feeling comfortable with, you know, making things or just, you know, I could be who I am. Like, in New York, I felt like I was always, you know, trying to be a New Yorker, when, in reality, I was like, never really a New Yorker, you know, but like, just trying to like, stay on the treadmill in a lot of ways. Um, yeah, but I don't know if that answers the good decsion.

詹妮弗Yoffy31

是的,那确实。你想听我的假设是什么?

马修·布兰德二七34

是的,请。

詹妮弗Yoffy27:35

没有,这是类似的,但出于不同的原因。所以我读过的准备这一路上你所以本科生,所以你从洛杉矶,但是你去了纽约本科生教育智慧,你的学位,你知道,你学的人真的是固定在很多喜欢摄影的历史和过程。当你去研究生院在加州,它更像概念,敞开的。所以我认为这是最好的决定的这两个,两个强大的艺术教育作为一个基础,但随后被截然相反。但与此同时,喜欢你,你的艺术是什么。就像很概念性的东西,但它是非常根深蒂固的物质性和过程。

马修·布兰德28:33

不,肯定。是的,我会说。那是,那是,比我说什么更好的说。能在你说的我们只是配音?是的,做一下。

詹妮弗Yoffy28:44

好的,很酷。(笑)

马修·布兰德28:46

完全正确。这是真的。这是我不喜欢,真的有意识地想到。你知道,我是的,我研究了一些沉重的概念论的。我想,有一次,我想,说,好吧,我是一个摄影师,我的图片,但是我增加堆。你知道我的意思,你觉得深的责任或负担的图片。这就像,哦,这是真的很好。如果我要把它,你知道的,但是现在,然后也在某种程度上你就像,在西海岸的洛杉矶,这是一个小更像,他妈的,你知道,就像,我们就玩一点。我认为你是对的,,,这两端之间的对话,我想,也是很多我的工作。总是有概念性的拐杖,或者至少我试着责任设置这些参数。 And then once that's done, you can see where where it goes.

詹妮弗Yoffy29:44

正确的。你能谈谈错了让你觉得你以及你学到了什么。

马修·布兰德29:50

呃,错把....我不知道,很难把说错了。我的意思是,我知道这是潇洒的说,喜欢,一切都让你这样你应该。但我的意思是,我不知道是否有必要像真正独特的坏,我做出决定,我能想到的职业智慧。我想,我希望我可能是有点接受和适应自己。当我说我自己,就像而言,知道我喜欢,没关系,我是谁,一种特定的方式工作。我认为在早期当你工作时,你只是有点像,焦虑和你想符合某种模式的你应该等等。随着我年龄的增长,我只是喜欢,这是我是谁。他妈的。你知道我的意思吗? Like, I have to just embrace who I am. And I think I wish I learned that earlier. Because then I think I would be a little bit more comfortable.

詹妮弗Yoffy30:59

是的,我认为我们都觉得。

马修·布兰德31:01

是的,是的,也许这只是也许这不是一个好的答案因为这就像……

詹妮弗Yoffy31:04

不,这是一个很好的答案。我的意思是,它超级平易,我认为任何人在任何职业,或者只是生活。

马修·布兰德31:13

是的,是的。喜欢这首歌,我希望我知道现在我知道我年轻的时候……但是是的,或多或少,是的,只是玩跟踪一遍又一遍。(笑)

詹妮弗Yoffy31:26

有很多音频编辑。(笑)

马修·布兰德31:28

对不起。

詹妮弗Yoffy31:30

嗯,你会说什么?你成功的晴雨表是摄影吗?还是在艺术世界?像,你觉得你那里,喜欢,你,你满意你,或者你还有更多你需要或想做去你喜欢的地方,好了,我做到了,你知道,我做了我开始做什么?

马修·布兰德31:54

嗯,对我来说,很难说什么,是什么让它对我来说,我觉得我想做更有趣的项目。对我来说,它总是有趣的,比如,接下来是什么?就像,你知道,嗯,你知道,有特定的显示,我在工作,,我正在做一个显示在圣彼得堡,俄罗斯。我正在和桦树。喜欢,真的令人兴奋,因为它就像,好吧,我开始工作和桦树。这是因为喜欢,好吧,展览,这是一个邀请。好的,我会这样做。我觉得如果它会很高兴做一个显示在另一个机构,或者,你知道,或者,例如,明年也一样,我正在做一个显示在一个公墓,森林草坪博物馆,死亡和摄影。有趣。所以我认为这是一步一步阶梯的过程,就像,我想做更多的项目,看看是什么。 In terms of like a, like a self-esteem, satisfaction thing that you talk about, I mean, I guess I'd be fine. If like, I died tomorrow, you know, it'd be fine, whatever. But it'd be nice if I could get more done. You know, after that, I mean, I would like to do more projects. And it's, of course, it'd be nice to like, do a Guggenheim show or whatever, but like, I'm not anticipating that ever happening either. Do you know what I mean? Whatever happens happens, and I feel content at the time, too.

詹妮弗Yoffy33:30

是的,不,这是我的意思是,它是重要的,我认为,我认为很多人,包括我自己,你完成的事情也许是一个目标,然后你喜欢,当你看到它进入视线,你改变目标更远。所以你不喜欢庆祝你的成功或内容。你只是喜欢,哦,如果我能做到,那么我可以这样做。我认为这是,你知道,这是有趣的和不同的艺术家和问这个问题,但这就像,你知道,你怎么……是钢丝的,为自己感到自豪和满意,你已经能够做你所做的,同时仍然动力?而且,你知道,激励和鼓舞继续做什么?

马修·布兰德34:23

是的,当然。是的。它很难。,是的,真的是你,你自己的评论家也在很多方面你必须评估完成后或当它不是。我只是想,这就像,如果我不能做下去,等等,这是,这是好的。我的意思是,我只接园艺之类的,或者,它是……是的,我的意思是我认为有趣的部分,就像在画室里修修补补。就像我喜欢,喜欢的工具。你知道,某些项目将覆盖某些东西然后我成为,你知道,一种猫的事情,你知道,任何能做的这些东西,这就是我喜欢思考如果我有时做事不够好因为足够好是伟大的在某些领域。(笑)

詹妮弗Yoffy35:17

(笑)只要你不是焊接的东西就像一个永远管需要密封。

马修·布兰德35:26

是的,我做了我自己的管道是有问题的。但,是的,这是在过去的六个月。胶带是好的为我所做的一切。

詹妮弗Yoffy35:37

是的,是的,我听说。他们说在YouTube上。

马修·布兰德35:40

是的,但你的学习,你知道,第一个管是管录音。然后下一个你,也许你会用实际焊接等等。然后,你知道,我觉得,有时候这些你知道,喜欢糟糕的决定,他们只是喜欢学习机会。

詹妮弗Yoffy35:56

是的,当然。这就是我的问题。

马修·布兰德36:00

这是你所有的问题吗?好吧。酷。

詹妮弗Yoffy36:03

我的意思是,你有,我们可以继续交谈。有更多的吗?什么是你现在最兴奋的项目呢?喜欢在地平线上吗?

马修·布兰德36:14

有几件事情。其中一个是,你知道,我认为我提到的这个森林草坪博物馆表明,明年会出现。

詹妮弗Yoffy36:23

是的,墓地?

马修·布兰德36:25

是的,是的。

詹妮弗Yoffy36:26

你仅仅是在你心情不好的时候工作吗?

马修·布兰德36:29

是的,没错。这是我的,我明白了。和所有的东西。你知道,你可以卸载。但是,在我认为我们讨论做什么,像去年一样,等等,它应该是2020。然后很明显,COVID期间关闭。但在COVID,今年3月,他们有这样的大卫,大卫大理石雕塑,下跌,打破了复制品。就在,就像你知道的,,这个城市被关闭,所有这一切,这种想法的歌利亚和大卫下降。这就像,你很漂亮。我想有人给我一个链接,说,哦,你听到这个,你知道,然后我们要做一个展示。 And then I talked to the director. So I was able to get some pieces of David. I photographed David, like all the broken pieces and all that stuff. So I was able to ground down the marble and I'm using that as a pigment to print these pictures of these broken David sculptures. Like, and also like, my dad's name is David. So this whole whole weirdness thing happening? No, but um, but anyways, it's kind of an interesting project that's currently being done. And I'm trying to print them on roofing paper, which I'm talking to the conservationists that I work with that, seeing if that's okay, but it seems like it's okay.

詹妮弗Yoffy37:51

为什么屋顶纸?

马修·布兰德37:53

嗯,我的意思是,我喜欢使用这种建筑材料,屋顶就像一个避难所,整个....你知道的,有意义的材料。而且,它是黑色的。大理石将在黑色的好看。有很多,技术就像,我猜你可以说,像概念、关系和也有一些非常有趣,不有趣,但他们印钞油毡的标志。还说,美国制造和所有这些奇怪的东西,最终看起来挺有趣的罗马符号之类的,像被刺死。不管怎么说,对不起,我没有图片。但是嗯,有很多奇怪的事情发生,我认为,所有的碎片都聚在一起在一个有趣的方式。和我喜欢当这种情况发生时,就像,你知道,起初我只是这些大卫破碎和拍照,我不知道该做什么。但你知道,当我试图让他们称之为resinotypes,这实际上是一个古老的摄影过程,吉姆·威林告诉我。 I did like a zoom class visit during COVID. And, you know, me and him, we always end up just talking about archaic photo processes. And he was telling me about this resinotype process, which they used to use people's ashes as the pigment for making memorabilia pictures of people. So it was like making pictures out of people's ashes. I was like, Oh my God, why didn't I know about this already? So then I started playing around with that with the marble. But it's just, it's not worth it's too hard. I did all these tests. And it's like, you have to like, like sensitize the gelatin, keep it in like 102.7 degrees. You know, and it's like, I've done so many tests. And it's like, you know, it's not worth the, the amount of work so I ended up like doing a, you know, updated version of that. That's a little bit more..., it makes for more interesting pictures. But, you know, so there's all these different routes. So I have like a stack of like, you have your stack of blue papers, I have my stack of resinotype prints of bad David pictures. You know, maybe one day they'll end up somewhere else. Right? And another project, actually right here you can kind of see I it's funny. I just have this on my desk. But you can see this thing right here. Yeah, this is actually algae growth on water paper, watercolor paper.

詹妮弗Yoffy40:28

不,

马修·布兰德40:29

是的,这只是一种藻类。所以我一直工作……

詹妮弗Yoffy40:34

这是acrchival吗?它像,种植更多?你如何让它只生长在…

马修·布兰德40:41

这是为什么,因为你有一个负的生长灯,像很多植物。所以光合作用。所以我有一个负的。我一直在使用这个海洋生物学家,Brian Palenik在加州大学圣地亚哥分校。实际上,我刚刚给他一整批底片。我们一直在做一些图片,一个肖像画项目。和他一直帮助我成长藻类图片,因为他告诉我怎么做。我已经建立了一个整体,你知道,清洁面积在我的工作室,这是非常罕见的,因为我的工作室是一个烂摊子。但有一个领域,应该是喜欢干净的区域,对吧?因为你必须喜欢,杀死所有的细菌和所有这些东西,它很像模像样的官员。 But I can't get it clean enough. I always just grow black mold. And like several months of growing black mold, I think why Palenik was like, just give me the negatives, I'll do it. You're embarrassing me. And I'm on my test. And he's like, you know what, it could be this, it could be that and like going through all this stuff. And I like bought all this equipment, all this stuff to like, try to make these algae pictures because, you know, mixing agar solutions and like, the main thing is just disinfecting everything. So he has this giant machine which like, kills all the germs. He's like, you could do it in a microwave, theoretically. So I'm like, it's not the same. So he's been helping me. And, you know, he's been really great on trying to make these interesting pictures, which is another thing that I've been working on, not me, I feel like he's doing most of the work. This is kind of the first time that I'm like, kind of sending it out to him. And I feel bad because he gets a stack of negatives and he's like, Ahh what the fuck.

詹妮弗Yoffy42:33

(笑)我有实际的科学。

马修·布兰德42:38

是的,他喜欢,我试图像拯救世界。他就像,这家伙只是想嘟嘟,你知道的。但你知道,它真的很有趣。他告诉我有不同的藻类不同的颜色。有一些是红色的,一些带青色的,所有这些不同的,和他,你知道,给我和给我管上的拉丁名字。我说,这是红色的。嗯,但是是的,所以有很多,这是一件事,我的意思是,在货架上的,我的意思是,多年来,当我们第一次开始那里当我出去工作,然后我们就开始工作。最后成为,你知道,你知道,有更多的事情发生,但你永远不知道,你知道,这将为另一个而脱落。是的,我不知道。

詹妮弗Yoffy43:29

我想让我的脸在藻类。

马修·布兰德43:32

我要告诉你,需要一个月,但我只给他另一个批处理。没有,但是他是超级甜的。真的,就像非常合作,因为我不知道如何做这些事情,如果他不解释给我听。然后,你知道,我认为最初他只是看到了我的工作。他发给我一封邮件,说,嗨,我知道你工作,lakewater之类的,我认为你想看到一些藻类的材料,我已经处理。他最初只是在问我喜欢的颜色,你可以做一个彩色照片。这只是太硬。你知道,你不能,你知道,它会....

詹妮弗Yoffy44:17

对的,因为要想在某些地方某些藻类。

马修·布兰德44:19

是的。而且,你知道,在一天结束的时候这一切最终被褐色。我想,你知道,我不知道,一定是档案性质。我的意思是,从理论上讲,藻类死亡在纸上,所以它更像是污渍,但我不认为你会保持一个强烈的绿色或强烈的红色。是的,我的意思是,我知道了一开始。最早的照片做的是口香糖的过程重铬酸盐和试图让颜色图片,你知道,你有红色,蓝色,绿色,红色是血,蓝是蓝莓,绿色就像碾碎草我。前五分钟我想,哦,这看起来很棒,你知道的。然后一周后我喜欢等待,这是就像一个红棕色基调的照片你知道的。

詹妮弗Yoffy45:04

这就像腐烂。(笑)

马修·布兰德45:05

是的,没错。但是我猜你快速学习。但有时,这很有趣。你知道,我已经做了一些材料,只是颜色变化的照片。你知道的,我得到了一些,一些反馈,就像一个艺术顾问发给我的照片是泡泡糖,像一个明亮的,喜欢,我觉得这是一个明亮的青色。不,这是一个明亮的紫色。然后他们给我目前的形象,这是一个明亮的青色,这完全改变了颜色。

詹妮弗Yoffy45:37

哦,哇。

马修·布兰德45:38

你知道,我不知道,因为这就像……

詹妮弗Yoffy45:40

它从像葡萄,蓝莓。

马修·布兰德45:43

完全正确。是的。是的,味道也是这样。

詹妮弗Yoffy45:46

哇!就像我们做口味测试。

马修·布兰德45:49

是的,是的。那将是很酷。是的,我们认为它很酷……像一个点,我们框架的开玩笑说,钻洞的一些片段。所以你可以闻到,你知道,像油漆,Laffy太妃糖,等等。它闻起来很好。你知道,但我猜蚂蚁的事情可能会有问题。我们只是做一个农场项目,这是有趣的对于任何收藏家在家里。一个小厨房。

詹妮弗Yoffy46:15

是的。是的。(笑)我不能说我想要一个黑色的模具。

马修·布兰德46:19

你确定吗?但即使是现在,例如,我在俄罗斯做显示。我与天花板,你知道,喜欢的天花板瓷砖材料应该吸收真的丑吗?是的,是的。所以我一直印刷。印刷咖啡,磷酸铵晶体。所以我试图让天花板污渍,事实上,它会是一个巨大的天花板上显示。

詹妮弗Yoffy46:48

哦,那太棒了。

马修·布兰德46:49

是的,这很酷。但你知道,在晶体生长的过程中,和咖啡,所有这些东西,坐在和晶体增长,它必须与热量,因为一旦蒸发较慢的过程,更大的晶体。所以在这些房间像前几周我打开他们,和他们喜欢臭味。磷酸铵,我认为这是钙在董事会使硫,屁的气味。像我们在画室里放屁,然后它最终看起来像模具。我说,我在看模具污渍的灵感我想让作品看起来如何。我不想让它看起来像当你走进房间,哦,人,你知道,这个地方是巨大的水损害。它最终被像这些洞穴,我拍摄的照片。

詹妮弗Yoffy47:47

哦,哇。

马修·布兰德47:49

所以,污渍可能不错。

詹妮弗Yoffy47:51

天哪,有…是的,我不认为你会耗尽的想法。

马修·布兰德47:56

是的,是的。但这可能只是所有平庸的东西。你知道,如果我只是专注,它可能是好的。然后,你知道,我不知道。是的,你做屁瓷砖。这不是平庸的。这是特殊的。是的,我知道,家得宝(Home Depot),看看他们会设计你的线。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:12

正确的。(笑)这是如此的令人敬畏的。谢谢你今天这样做。

马修·布兰德48:20

哦,谢谢你邀请我。我的意思是,这是我第一次做这个播客。这是,很有趣。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:25

你是,你是一个自然的。

马修·布兰德48:27

噢,谢谢你。我要得到一个micriphone就像你,那很酷。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:31

我这样做,这是唯一的原因的耳机和麦克风。只是,你知道吗?

马修·布兰德48:36

它看起来合法的。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:36

我喜欢看。是的,是的。(笑)

马修·布兰德48:40

不,我的意思是,恭喜。我认为这是太棒了!我感到很兴奋。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:42

谢谢你,谢谢你。

马修·布兰德48:43

不,谢谢你这些东西。你太酷了。就像你…

詹妮弗Yoffy48:47

你太酷了。

马修·布兰德48:48

我们已经合作了很长一段时间。

詹妮弗Yoffy48:49

我知道!

马修·布兰德48:51

是啊!

詹妮弗Yoffy48:54

谢谢你听的播客。我希望你喜欢它。我希望你能下次收听。我们周四发布新的集每两周。你可以听过去集Yoffy新闻网站www.YoffyPress.com/podcast或188bet金宝搏登真人官网苹果播客,Spotify,或其他地方,你经常听这种类型的项目。再次感谢你,我们下次再见。

马修·布兰德49:25

我做的很好。我们刚刚做像一个小六个月摄影会议与我们的婴儿勒克斯和我们的一个朋友,乔迪-拍照。这是一种有趣的有这样的传统,像照片。你知道我的意思吗?它在我们的后院和东西。就像我感觉就像一个风格我喜欢摄影,参加。我微笑,我觉得这就像舞会照片几乎,你知道的,或者像我想喜欢取笑整件事情但就像哦,不,不,行为正常,微笑。是的,是的。实际上这很酷,因为我有一些宝宝的照片,我买的,你知道当你,我不知道你有这个,但摄影师你创伤之后有了一个孩子像几小时后,就像,哦,你想让我把你和宝宝的照片,就像,嗯?没有,但是哦,你知道的,我喜欢,它可能是有趣的,你知道我的意思吗? I want to print them with um... I've been doing these pictures with with my puppies at least like printing them with your dog shit. So I kind of want to do some with

詹妮弗Yoffy51:20

你喜欢,你会扣篮后这些照片在受污染的水?对吧?我完全,我已经在我的列表的问题像像婴儿一样产生很多东西,你知道的,成分如吐出和粪便。

马修·布兰德52:11

有很多的吐出。我们真的爱像早期婴儿粪便。她现在开始吃固体食物。

詹妮弗Yoffy52:19

哦,现在就像大便。

马修·布兰德52:21

是的,刚开始的时候,就像,没有气味不好。它看起来像一个南瓜汤。你知道吗?的,比如不造反,你知道吗?然后现在开始有点哦,是的,它不再是可爱的。

詹妮弗Yoffy52:35

(笑)不,它像一个人。是的。

马修·布兰德52:36

是的,是的,是的!